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	<title>Comments on: PHP vs Ruby on Rails, Part 2</title>
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	<description>Cocoa, Rails and User Interface commentary.</description>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://blog.clickablebliss.com/2005/12/26/php-vs-ruby-on-rails-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-63447</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can someone show me how in Ruby you write the equivalent of the following code:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;pre&gt;
foreach(array(&#039;f&#039;, &#039;g&#039;, &#039;h&#039;) do $function) {
  $function();  // or call user func($function)
}
&lt;/pre&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not a Ruby master, but I think this takes quite a bit of doing and is not in any way simple. I think it goes like:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;pre&gt;
def func(list)
  for i in list
    yield i
  end

func([&#039;f&#039;,&#039;g&#039;,&#039;h&#039;]) do &#124;function&#124; 
  puts function
end
&lt;/pre&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To me that looks like a language that cares more about being correct than useful.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone show me how in Ruby you write the equivalent of the following code:</p>

<p><code><pre>
foreach(array('f', 'g', 'h') do $function) {
  $function();  // or call user func($function)
}
</pre></code></p>

<p>I&#8217;m not a Ruby master, but I think this takes quite a bit of doing and is not in any way simple. I think it goes like:</p>

<p><code><pre>
def func(list)
  for i in list
    yield i
  end

func(['f','g','h']) do |function| 
  puts function
end
</pre></code></p>

<p>To me that looks like a language that cares more about being correct than useful.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Whatever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whatever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Read above commnet from
Jasper wrote:
Anyone who argues in favor of one language over another in a purely technical manner (i.e., who ignores the dominant business issues) exposes themself as a techie weenie, and deserves not to be heard.
....
Answer
Dear Jasper, learn from experience, people like you elected Hitler, and it was their biggest dominat mistake.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read above commnet from
Jasper wrote:
Anyone who argues in favor of one language over another in a purely technical manner (i.e., who ignores the dominant business issues) exposes themself as a techie weenie, and deserves not to be heard.
&#8230;.
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Dear Jasper, learn from experience, people like you elected Hitler, and it was their biggest dominat mistake.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jasper</title>
		<link>http://blog.clickablebliss.com/2005/12/26/php-vs-ruby-on-rails-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-37450</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Anyone who argues in favor of one language over another in a purely technical manner (i.e., who ignores the dominant business issues) exposes themself as a techie weenie, and deserves not to be heard.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;comp.lang.c++&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who argues in favor of one language over another in a purely technical manner (i.e., who ignores the dominant business issues) exposes themself as a techie weenie, and deserves not to be heard.</p>

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<li>comp.lang.c++</li>
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		<title>By: what_fck</title>
		<link>http://blog.clickablebliss.com/2005/12/26/php-vs-ruby-on-rails-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-27907</link>
		<dc:creator>what_fck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ROR sucks when updating to new version. Some part of code develop from old version can&#039;t be use on new version.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Too slow when handling large process.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A lot of problem may arise when handling multiple different database type.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROR sucks when updating to new version. Some part of code develop from old version can&#8217;t be use on new version.</p>

<p>Too slow when handling large process.</p>

<p>A lot of problem may arise when handling multiple different database type.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: oscar duron</title>
		<link>http://blog.clickablebliss.com/2005/12/26/php-vs-ruby-on-rails-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-26792</link>
		<dc:creator>oscar duron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OK, somebody did a great job for you, He used Ruby language, and prepared everything for you for easy  and productive use like a Gerber, called by everyone else a framework. So one guy, just one Einsteinian guy, not only created the framework for the future, but his message is that if PHP were what really is, he had been using it, but because all brains behind PHP are whatever they are, but not the real genius like the ones behind Ruby, he decided to make his Mona&lt;em&gt;Lisa in ruby? Anyway, Thanks for the freedom of speech at your site.
Excuse me, I just cant imagine a whole world in the wrong way using PHP instead Ruby.
In this page are some of the real problems with ruby http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby&lt;/em&gt;(programming&lt;em&gt;language)
and of course, rails is constructed over ruby.
and most important the disgusting legal issues with the creator of rails.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby&lt;/em&gt;on_Rails&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Besides all this, I have not found any mature application on Rails, if you know one, let me know please. The more complex one is Basecamp and is very buggy, and small compared to many open source and commercial applications done in PHP.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, somebody did a great job for you, He used Ruby language, and prepared everything for you for easy  and productive use like a Gerber, called by everyone else a framework. So one guy, just one Einsteinian guy, not only created the framework for the future, but his message is that if PHP were what really is, he had been using it, but because all brains behind PHP are whatever they are, but not the real genius like the ones behind Ruby, he decided to make his Mona<em>Lisa in ruby? Anyway, Thanks for the freedom of speech at your site.
Excuse me, I just cant imagine a whole world in the wrong way using PHP instead Ruby.
In this page are some of the real problems with ruby <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby</a></em>(programming<em>language)
and of course, rails is constructed over ruby.
and most important the disgusting legal issues with the creator of rails.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby</a></em>on_Rails</p>

<p>Besides all this, I have not found any mature application on Rails, if you know one, let me know please. The more complex one is Basecamp and is very buggy, and small compared to many open source and commercial applications done in PHP.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: toupeira</title>
		<link>http://blog.clickablebliss.com/2005/12/26/php-vs-ruby-on-rails-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-26737</link>
		<dc:creator>toupeira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;you have no fucking clue what you&#039;re talking about. seriously, with comments like these you can&#039;t expect anyone to respond reasonably.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you have no fucking clue what you&#8217;re talking about. seriously, with comments like these you can&#8217;t expect anyone to respond reasonably.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: oscar duron</title>
		<link>http://blog.clickablebliss.com/2005/12/26/php-vs-ruby-on-rails-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-26735</link>
		<dc:creator>oscar duron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What I see about RR all around the web is just one thing, it seems like a battle between users and programmers, RR as a development framework is great, it is and will be the users programming language, just to say something, and of course, always will be millions of users like those, like users have blogs and BBs, while PHP is and will be the programmers development language. In conclusion, you can do with PHP what you can do with RR, but you can not do with RR what you can do with PHP. Why do I say this?, because with RR you can do only what the framework can do (simple and attractive things) but if you need more, you will need to learn Ruby (not Rails), and to learn Ruby and be proficient with it, it is not an easy matter, Why nobody ask about Ruby itself? Have you seen a PHP framework? there are some excellent ones, compare them to RR, and you will start talking about Ruby (not RR) and you will find the big difference between a user developer comment and a programmer developer comment. For a while, lets the millions of kids (users) play to web programmers game with RR.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I see about RR all around the web is just one thing, it seems like a battle between users and programmers, RR as a development framework is great, it is and will be the users programming language, just to say something, and of course, always will be millions of users like those, like users have blogs and BBs, while PHP is and will be the programmers development language. In conclusion, you can do with PHP what you can do with RR, but you can not do with RR what you can do with PHP. Why do I say this?, because with RR you can do only what the framework can do (simple and attractive things) but if you need more, you will need to learn Ruby (not Rails), and to learn Ruby and be proficient with it, it is not an easy matter, Why nobody ask about Ruby itself? Have you seen a PHP framework? there are some excellent ones, compare them to RR, and you will start talking about Ruby (not RR) and you will find the big difference between a user developer comment and a programmer developer comment. For a while, lets the millions of kids (users) play to web programmers game with RR.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Roland Bernier</title>
		<link>http://blog.clickablebliss.com/2005/12/26/php-vs-ruby-on-rails-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-24750</link>
		<dc:creator>Roland Bernier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 06:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m developping web applications and sites for clients with php5. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are a lot of CMS based on the php language like Joomla, Drupal, &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Typo3. So the best approach in comparing web site creation should be &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;to compare how Rails can be better than thoses others CMS.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You cannot just compare a framework with a language !&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I just did a Ruby tutorial, not Rails, and found it simple at &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;glance. I will learn a little Ruby and Rails then compare it with &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;others PHP frameworks or CMS. I think thats the best to see the &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;differences.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m developping web applications and sites for clients with php5. </p>

<p>There are a lot of CMS based on the php language like Joomla, Drupal, </p>

<p>Typo3. So the best approach in comparing web site creation should be </p>

<p>to compare how Rails can be better than thoses others CMS.</p>

<p>You cannot just compare a framework with a language !</p>

<p>I just did a Ruby tutorial, not Rails, and found it simple at </p>

<p>glance. I will learn a little Ruby and Rails then compare it with </p>

<p>others PHP frameworks or CMS. I think thats the best to see the </p>

<p>differences.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: toupeira</title>
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		<dc:creator>toupeira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I assume you mean Rails applications? Because there are thousands of Open Source Ruby applications out there. Take a look at http://wiki.rubyonrails.org/rails/pages/OpenSourceProjects for some projects based on Rails.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume you mean Rails applications? Because there are thousands of Open Source Ruby applications out there. Take a look at <a href="http://wiki.rubyonrails.org/rails/pages/OpenSourceProjects" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.rubyonrails.org/rails/pages/OpenSourceProjects</a> for some projects based on Rails.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ok, I read about half of the comments here and didn&#039;t see anything new. I am a PHP developer. I would LOVE to try and learn ruby (even though my host does not support it). Here is the problem though. I can go and download any number of programs already written in PHP and get an idea of how it works. I have yet to find an open source program written in Ruby that I can open up and take a look at. Any suggestions?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I read about half of the comments here and didn&#8217;t see anything new. I am a PHP developer. I would LOVE to try and learn ruby (even though my host does not support it). Here is the problem though. I can go and download any number of programs already written in PHP and get an idea of how it works. I have yet to find an open source program written in Ruby that I can open up and take a look at. Any suggestions?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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